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	<title>Comments on: Pick an Agency, Any Agency: Amtrak</title>
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		<title>By: AgentFossil</title>
		<link>http://libertymaven.com/2010/07/28/pick-an-agency-any-agency-amtrak/10282/comment-page-2/#comment-8800</link>
		<dc:creator>AgentFossil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 01:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - -  I&#039;m wary of the knowledge that folks bring to this game when they use terms like &#039;universally&#039; and &#039;always&#039; to describe programs.  There are many government programs that, when given to the private sector to run under A-76 guidelines, are wracked with fraud and are managed with less success than when the government ran the program.  NASA is one - - the large consortia that run the majority of NASA&#039;s missions do so at a greater expense and with less focus and efficiency than when NASA ran the programs themselves.  LOGCAP is another - - the fraud and inefficiency of having Dyncorp &amp; KBR run support functions that our military used to handle is an extraordinary burden on the taxpayer.  Not all functions provided by government can be money-making propositions, and any corporation running an inherently governmental program adds at least 50% to the cost of running the program within the government w/o the need to generate profits.  No argument that the government needs better managers and better guidance from Congress, but private sector management is not the answer for every government shortfall. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; -  I&#039;m wary of the knowledge that folks bring to this game when they use terms like &#039;universally&#039; and &#039;always&#039; to describe programs.  There are many government programs that, when given to the private sector to run under A-76 guidelines, are wracked with fraud and are managed with less success than when the government ran the program.  NASA is one &#8211; - the large consortia that run the majority of NASA&#039;s missions do so at a greater expense and with less focus and efficiency than when NASA ran the programs themselves.  LOGCAP is another &#8211; - the fraud and inefficiency of having Dyncorp &amp; KBR run support functions that our military used to handle is an extraordinary burden on the taxpayer.  Not all functions provided by government can be money-making propositions, and any corporation running an inherently governmental program adds at least 50% to the cost of running the program within the government w/o the need to generate profits.  No argument that the government needs better managers and better guidance from Congress, but private sector management is not the answer for every government shortfall.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertarianMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertarianMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If something is not profitable, it either should not exist (as the market does not support it), or it needs to be run by more capable hands and should be sold.  (And the government is NEVER more capable to run a company).  So nationalization is never an appropriate answer -- it only continues to give life to a losing venture, the exact opposite of what needs to happen. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If something is not profitable, it either should not exist (as the market does not support it), or it needs to be run by more capable hands and should be sold.  (And the government is NEVER more capable to run a company).  So nationalization is never an appropriate answer &#8212; it only continues to give life to a losing venture, the exact opposite of what needs to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: envirolibertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>envirolibertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If amtrak was a good consumer choice it wouldn&#039;t have had to be nationalized in the first place. There are probably many routes that are profitable, but many that aren&#039;t. It is not fair to the American people who have to subsidize a route at sometimes 400 to 500 dollars per ticket. 
 
What we should do is try to sell Amtrak to investors who will make it profitable. We could split it up to add competition. If there is competition prices will go down and more people will ride. I would take the train from San Francisco to Milwaukee if it didn&#039;t take 70 hours in some cases. That is ridiculous. 
 
Allow trains to go whatever speed they want, and the rails will improve. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If amtrak was a good consumer choice it wouldn&#039;t have had to be nationalized in the first place. There are probably many routes that are profitable, but many that aren&#039;t. It is not fair to the American people who have to subsidize a route at sometimes 400 to 500 dollars per ticket. </p>
<p>What we should do is try to sell Amtrak to investors who will make it profitable. We could split it up to add competition. If there is competition prices will go down and more people will ride. I would take the train from San Francisco to Milwaukee if it didn&#039;t take 70 hours in some cases. That is ridiculous. </p>
<p>Allow trains to go whatever speed they want, and the rails will improve.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is complete farce, maybe if the govt got out of the business of subisizing roads and other forms of transportation it would be a lot cheaper to  move man and material. Look at all the waste in the Boston Digg or even around my own community where it takes them 10 years to finish a project that would only take a private company 2 (or the road to nowhere in Alaska).   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is complete farce, maybe if the govt got out of the business of subisizing roads and other forms of transportation it would be a lot cheaper to  move man and material. Look at all the waste in the Boston Digg or even around my own community where it takes them 10 years to finish a project that would only take a private company 2 (or the road to nowhere in Alaska).</p>
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		<title>By: marcg</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d give up government subsidized trains and many other government programs if it meant I did not have to ever pay income taxes again. Wouldn&#039;t you? 
 
Then I could spend all my extra money on services that I actually use and give to charities that are in accordance with my own views. 
 
Just because the government subsidizes something doesn&#039;t mean it will cease to exist if there weren&#039;t subsidies.  
 
If the consumer has a demand for a high speed train from NC to Boston or wherever then it should be the entrepreneur&#039;s job to make it happen and make it profitable while meeting that demand and pleasing the customer. The government should just get the hell out of the way. 
 
The government keeps touching me everywhere. And it&#039;s starting to make me uncomfortable. Maybe I should sue for sexual harassment? Oh nevermind... given their track record they probably exempt themselves from such lawsuits. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d give up government subsidized trains and many other government programs if it meant I did not have to ever pay income taxes again. Wouldn&#039;t you? </p>
<p>Then I could spend all my extra money on services that I actually use and give to charities that are in accordance with my own views. </p>
<p>Just because the government subsidizes something doesn&#039;t mean it will cease to exist if there weren&#039;t subsidies.  </p>
<p>If the consumer has a demand for a high speed train from NC to Boston or wherever then it should be the entrepreneur&#039;s job to make it happen and make it profitable while meeting that demand and pleasing the customer. The government should just get the hell out of the way. </p>
<p>The government keeps touching me everywhere. And it&#039;s starting to make me uncomfortable. Maybe I should sue for sexual harassment? Oh nevermind&#8230; given their track record they probably exempt themselves from such lawsuits. <img src='http://libertymaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: charrob</title>
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		<dc:creator>charrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We subsidize oil companies, airlines, roads.  Why not subsidize trains?  The reason why Europe and the rest of the modern world have such good train systems is because they are government subsidized. 
 
Travelling from North Carolina to Boston, for every ton that a train weighs, only _ONE_ gallon of gasoline is used. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We subsidize oil companies, airlines, roads.  Why not subsidize trains?  The reason why Europe and the rest of the modern world have such good train systems is because they are government subsidized. </p>
<p>Travelling from North Carolina to Boston, for every ton that a train weighs, only _ONE_ gallon of gasoline is used.</p>
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		<title>By: malkusm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malkusm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shutting down passenger rail doesn&#039;t mean shutting down railroads. I&#039;m fine with the government having a plan in place to facilitate transportation in a time of emergency. I&#039;m NOT fine with the government running an enterprise that hemorrhages money. 
 
You may have also missed one of my criteria: namely, the constitutionality of Amtrak or any agency that I write about. The federal government has the authority to run the mail system, but that&#039;s about the only business venture they were authorized to engage in. If you think that a federally-run passenger rail system is vital to our national security or to interstate commerce, get the Constitution changed. At least then we will have the discussion out in the open, rather than our current process of having Congress pass new bureaucracies in fly-by-night, 2,000-page bills. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shutting down passenger rail doesn&#039;t mean shutting down railroads. I&#039;m fine with the government having a plan in place to facilitate transportation in a time of emergency. I&#039;m NOT fine with the government running an enterprise that hemorrhages money. </p>
<p>You may have also missed one of my criteria: namely, the constitutionality of Amtrak or any agency that I write about. The federal government has the authority to run the mail system, but that&#039;s about the only business venture they were authorized to engage in. If you think that a federally-run passenger rail system is vital to our national security or to interstate commerce, get the Constitution changed. At least then we will have the discussion out in the open, rather than our current process of having Congress pass new bureaucracies in fly-by-night, 2,000-page bills.</p>
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		<title>By: malkusm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malkusm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, did Amtrak start hiring an internet PR team to manage their public image on articles like this? I had no idea. 
 
Yes, most forms of transportations are subsidized, but not at the national level. Roads are paid for by state budgets, with the exception of interstate highways. Also, while &quot;subsidized,&quot; roads are DIRECTLY paid for by an excise tax on gasoline. There are those, like my parents, who have never taken an Amtrak train in their lives, and have been forced to bear the burden of paying for it. 
 
As for Clark&#039;s comment, that the NYC-to-DC route on Amtrak makes money - good! Why not privatize it? I&#039;ll be willing to bet that it makes more money as a private entity than it does under the government&#039;s management. And yes, I understand that there are bigger fish to fry in the budget. 
 
The problem I&#039;ve found with many big-government types is that they decry conservatives for not having any specifics on where to cut, and for simply being the &quot;Party of NO.&quot; Then, when a conservative begins to list details, they are up in arms about some indirect affect that the cut may or may not have. It can&#039;t be both things.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, did Amtrak start hiring an internet PR team to manage their public image on articles like this? I had no idea. </p>
<p>Yes, most forms of transportations are subsidized, but not at the national level. Roads are paid for by state budgets, with the exception of interstate highways. Also, while &quot;subsidized,&quot; roads are DIRECTLY paid for by an excise tax on gasoline. There are those, like my parents, who have never taken an Amtrak train in their lives, and have been forced to bear the burden of paying for it. </p>
<p>As for Clark&#039;s comment, that the NYC-to-DC route on Amtrak makes money &#8211; good! Why not privatize it? I&#039;ll be willing to bet that it makes more money as a private entity than it does under the government&#039;s management. And yes, I understand that there are bigger fish to fry in the budget. </p>
<p>The problem I&#039;ve found with many big-government types is that they decry conservatives for not having any specifics on where to cut, and for simply being the &quot;Party of NO.&quot; Then, when a conservative begins to list details, they are up in arms about some indirect affect that the cut may or may not have. It can&#039;t be both things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Loomis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Loomis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usual ideological nonsense. ALL forms of public transportation are subsidized, from airlines to sidewalks.  Stop subsidies to Amtrak and we have no national pasenger rail system within 90 days. Then there will be total and complete gridlock on thousands of roads and highways, and you will still bitch that it&#039;s all government&#039;s fault. Go a-way! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usual ideological nonsense. ALL forms of public transportation are subsidized, from airlines to sidewalks.  Stop subsidies to Amtrak and we have no national pasenger rail system within 90 days. Then there will be total and complete gridlock on thousands of roads and highways, and you will still bitch that it&#039;s all government&#039;s fault. Go a-way!</p>
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		<title>By: LibertarianMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertarianMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re missing the larger point that things (like this) run by the government are universally mismanaged and it&#039;s always a better choice for them to be privately owned and managed. 
 
And that&#039;s before going down the road of discussion where it&#039;s pointed out that most any &quot;public service&quot; is usually unconstitutional and must be funded with money extorted/stolen from us in the form of taxes.  (Yes, that&#039;s opening up a larger can of worms, but important nonetheless). 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#039;re missing the larger point that things (like this) run by the government are universally mismanaged and it&#039;s always a better choice for them to be privately owned and managed. </p>
<p>And that&#039;s before going down the road of discussion where it&#039;s pointed out that most any &quot;public service&quot; is usually unconstitutional and must be funded with money extorted/stolen from us in the form of taxes.  (Yes, that&#039;s opening up a larger can of worms, but important nonetheless).</p>
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		<title>By: Cleo63fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cleo63fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amtrak is a public service, like the military or the air traffic control system.  Money spent on Amtrak is an investment in the future of America.  It may be &quot;easy&quot; to shut it down, but it would be nearly impossible to start it up again in a time of national emergency (anyone remember the oil embargoes of the 1970s or the post-9/11 days?).  Our country needs an expanded passenger rail network as part of a comprehensive, balance transportation system that includes all modes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amtrak is a public service, like the military or the air traffic control system.  Money spent on Amtrak is an investment in the future of America.  It may be &quot;easy&quot; to shut it down, but it would be nearly impossible to start it up again in a time of national emergency (anyone remember the oil embargoes of the 1970s or the post-9/11 days?).  Our country needs an expanded passenger rail network as part of a comprehensive, balance transportation system that includes all modes.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So did you actually ride the bus and if so how was the trip?  Have you ever ridden Amtrak so that you have a comparison? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So did you actually ride the bus and if so how was the trip?  Have you ever ridden Amtrak so that you have a comparison?</p>
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