Comments on: Republicans wrong. The real reason Deeds and Corzine lost: The Underdog Theory http://libertymaven.com/2009/11/05/republicans-wrong-the-real-reason-deeds-and-corzine-lost-the-underdog-theory/7922/ For Liberty, One Individual At A Time Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:44:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jason M http://libertymaven.com/2009/11/05/republicans-wrong-the-real-reason-deeds-and-corzine-lost-the-underdog-theory/7922/comment-page-1/#comment-4795 Jason M Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:34:11 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=7922#comment-4795 Your calling of Obama "African-American" in your story is not entirely accurate. He is 50% irish, 45% arab, and only 5% black. Just through I'd clarify. Your calling of Obama "African-American" in your story is not entirely accurate. He is 50% irish, 45% arab, and only 5% black. Just through I'd clarify.

]]> By: Mark McLain http://libertymaven.com/2009/11/05/republicans-wrong-the-real-reason-deeds-and-corzine-lost-the-underdog-theory/7922/comment-page-1/#comment-4792 Mark McLain Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:22:31 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=7922#comment-4792 I was first offended by Zep calling me an extremist because i belive in Liberty. ~sigh.... But Jason saves the moment when he points out that Truth is certainly extreme when Lies are the norm. I've been in this Freedom movement for a long time now and though i hate the current attack on our economy by the central bankers (The Fed, Goldman & Sachs, TriLateral Commission) but the optimistic side is that many people are crossing that pain threshold causing them to wake up and take action. But this is the key moment where we educate those while they are waking. Catch them, educate them, and point them to the front lines! It is our Paramount mission in this battle to save America & preserve her Liberty. How? First: End The Fed. To get started on this huge task, follow Ron Pauls push to audit the fed in the legislation. Second: Buy Ron Pauls book on Amazon rightly titled "End The Fed" Third: Broaden your understanding on this movement by watching Alex Jones on Youtube. GO NOW!!! Get in the Fight! Mark I was first offended by Zep calling me an extremist because i belive in Liberty. ~sigh…. But Jason saves the moment when he points out that Truth is certainly extreme when Lies are the norm. I've been in this Freedom movement for a long time now and though i hate the current attack on our economy by the central bankers (The Fed, Goldman & Sachs, TriLateral Commission) but the optimistic side is that many people are crossing that pain threshold causing them to wake up and take action. But this is the key moment where we educate those while they are waking. Catch them, educate them, and point them to the front lines!

It is our Paramount mission in this battle to save America & preserve her Liberty. How? First: End The Fed. To get started on this huge task, follow Ron Pauls push to audit the fed in the legislation.

Second: Buy Ron Pauls book on Amazon rightly titled "End The Fed"

Third: Broaden your understanding on this movement by watching Alex Jones on Youtube.

GO NOW!!! Get in the Fight!
Mark

]]> By: marcg http://libertymaven.com/2009/11/05/republicans-wrong-the-real-reason-deeds-and-corzine-lost-the-underdog-theory/7922/comment-page-1/#comment-4791 marcg Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:36:04 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=7922#comment-4791 Good points Jason... I think the underdog theory may not be the right name for what is happening after all (event though I came up with it). It is misleading, or may need some further explanation. The idea is that in general people have an innate desire for freedom (especially in America) yet they also want to be "protected" and "taken care of". I think they vote for whichever party is NOT currently wielding power. And they do it subconsciously. And they do it because they really don't like either party, but mostly they don't like the party in power. This is more a phenomenon that illustrates in America there really is a big government two party duopoly where the "people" never get their voices heard. They latch on to campaign promises only to be abandoned by their own hope once the candidate gets into office. So then, the pendulum swings back to the other party, and so on. The never ending swing from right to left just continues unabated... I fear something quite drastic will have to happen before that changes. Enjoy and thanks for your thoughts, Marc Good points Jason…

I think the underdog theory may not be the right name for what is happening after all (event though I came up with it). It is misleading, or may need some further explanation.

The idea is that in general people have an innate desire for freedom (especially in America) yet they also want to be "protected" and "taken care of". I think they vote for whichever party is NOT currently wielding power. And they do it subconsciously. And they do it because they really don't like either party, but mostly they don't like the party in power.

This is more a phenomenon that illustrates in America there really is a big government two party duopoly where the "people" never get their voices heard. They latch on to campaign promises only to be abandoned by their own hope once the candidate gets into office. So then, the pendulum swings back to the other party, and so on. The never ending swing from right to left just continues unabated… I fear something quite drastic will have to happen before that changes.

Enjoy and thanks for your thoughts,
Marc

]]> By: Jason http://libertymaven.com/2009/11/05/republicans-wrong-the-real-reason-deeds-and-corzine-lost-the-underdog-theory/7922/comment-page-1/#comment-4790 Jason Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:06:34 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=7922#comment-4790 Zep obviously hates freedom and individual liberty, as his distain can almost be tasted by his responses. He must love the idea of being a slave. Although, I actually also agree on one point of his, that the reason the Republican's won was not due to the underdog theory, although I am sure some people voted for this reason. .. I believe the Republicans won the Virginia and NJ races because deep down at least 50% of the country believe in a fiscally responsible government that should not be 12 trillion in debt. (aka fiscally conservative) and support a small government mindset. What people lack to understand or "see" is that the Republican party is not fiscally conservative or small government, they just give lip service to this idea. Except for a few exceptions (Ron Paul) very few Republican politicians believe in a limited 'fiscally conservative' constitutional government. I also find it funny that Zep equates "truth' to extremism. Well, sadly these days 'truth' is extreme, and 'lies' are the norm. 'Old Right' conservatives (libertarians) can win, but the public must be educated... The problem is that the people have been brainwashed to believe and love 'Statism'. (They love the idea of looting their neighbors and call it government) Even today's conservatives cannot see the disaster called the FED, or our country's constant 'warfare' state and how this is inconsistent with liberty. This must be 'educated' out of them, through the constant 'truth' of the benefits and prosperity that freedom and liberty provide. Cheers, Jason Zep obviously hates freedom and individual liberty, as his distain can almost be tasted by his responses. He must love the idea of being a slave.

Although, I actually also agree on one point of his, that the reason the Republican's won was not due to the underdog theory, although I am sure some people voted for this reason. ..

I believe the Republicans won the Virginia and NJ races because deep down at least 50% of the country believe in a fiscally responsible government that should not be 12 trillion in debt. (aka fiscally conservative) and support a small government mindset. What people lack to understand or "see" is that the Republican party is not fiscally conservative or small government, they just give lip service to this idea. Except for a few exceptions (Ron Paul) very few Republican politicians believe in a limited 'fiscally conservative' constitutional government.

I also find it funny that Zep equates "truth' to extremism. Well, sadly these days 'truth' is extreme, and 'lies' are the norm. 'Old Right' conservatives (libertarians) can win, but the public must be educated… The problem is that the people have been brainwashed to believe and love 'Statism'. (They love the idea of looting their neighbors and call it government) Even today's conservatives cannot see the disaster called the FED, or our country's constant 'warfare' state and how this is inconsistent with liberty. This must be 'educated' out of them, through the constant 'truth' of the benefits and prosperity that freedom and liberty provide.

Cheers,
Jason

]]> By: Zep http://libertymaven.com/2009/11/05/republicans-wrong-the-real-reason-deeds-and-corzine-lost-the-underdog-theory/7922/comment-page-1/#comment-4788 Zep Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:53:16 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=7922#comment-4788 Furthermore, the two national elections both went to Democrats and both were in traditional Republican strongholds. As Republicans continue to turn off the young and the Hispanics, the advantage will continue to trend to the Democratic party. Furthermore, the two national elections both went to Democrats and both were in traditional Republican strongholds. As Republicans continue to turn off the young and the Hispanics, the advantage will continue to trend to the Democratic party.

]]> By: Zep http://libertymaven.com/2009/11/05/republicans-wrong-the-real-reason-deeds-and-corzine-lost-the-underdog-theory/7922/comment-page-1/#comment-4787 Zep Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:51:15 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=7922#comment-4787 Terrible, tortured, naive "analysis". First, America does NOT root for the underdog. Second, Jon Corzine was not "expected to lose". Va. was lost because it ran the wrong candidate. Disgusted Democrats stayed home in droves rather than turn out for a health care opposing climate change denialist. NJ was lost because Corzine was scapegoated over the economy. I do not expect Christie to finish the term he was was elected. Extremists who follow Ron Paul will never capture more than a very narrow percentage of the electorate's support. Terrible, tortured, naive "analysis". First, America does NOT root for the underdog. Second, Jon Corzine was not "expected to lose". Va. was lost because it ran the wrong candidate. Disgusted Democrats stayed home in droves rather than turn out for a health care opposing climate change denialist. NJ was lost because Corzine was scapegoated over the economy. I do not expect Christie to finish the term he was was elected.
Extremists who follow Ron Paul will never capture more than a very narrow percentage of the electorate's support.

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