Liberty MavenRon Paul vs. Michael Moore on Larry King
October 29th, 2009 11:08 pm | by Marc Gallagher | Published in Big Government, Civil Liberties, Commentary, Constitution, Foreign Policy, Free Market, Health Care, Liberty, Market Regulation, Ron Paul, War, congress, terrorism | 25 Responses
Ron Paul appeared on Larry King Live tonight following Michael Moore to refute (and agree) with some of what Moore said. It was a very good appearance by Paul. He spoke about health care, foreign policy, and the difference between capitalism and corporatism.
Check it out below.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:22 am (#)
Wow. Ron Paul has left me speechless. He is just amazing. How can one man make so much sense?! Go Dr. Paul!
October 30th, 2009 at 4:37 am (#)
Bless this man
October 30th, 2009 at 5:08 am (#)
thank god for Ron Paul. He was great! I just hope America wakes up to this nightmare and get back to working hard and making this country great again.
October 30th, 2009 at 7:15 am (#)
After the initial enthusiam around the 08 conventions, Paul seems in increasingly make less sense and sounds more in line with staunch Re(pube)licans.
Wealth transfer, where were you in the last 8 years sir?
keynesian = big govt?? You're a jovial man!
October 30th, 2009 at 8:21 am (#)
Great job Ron Paul. Michael Moore doesn't know what he is talking about. He cares, and that's great, but his ideas about the cause of our problems are about as misguided as as those of someone who would attempt to go to the moon by digging a hole.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm (#)
Under capitalism, profits always are a priority to your health. I repeat, under a pure capitalistic health system, Profits are the priority. You cannot guarantee full service to all Americans unless this priority is revered. Anyone who talks up Ron Paul here has not been in that position.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:17 pm (#)
Yes, profits are a priority, but any Dr. who is smart (and most of them are) knows that if they focus solely on profits they will shortly have no patients to "fix".
Those patients will all go to a Dr. that realizes in order to keep profits up he/she must serve the patients needs. Profits are the incentive and serving the patient is the only way to obtain those profits.
Enjoy,
Marc
October 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pm (#)
Luz, your only partly right. Marc is the one who is correctt. Profits are the priority, which is what makes the pure free-market the most wonderful system to live under (true capitalism). It will cause many doctors, hostpitals, etc to compete with each other to provide the best service and best possible health care at the lowest cost available. Thereby maintaining their profits. If they do not provide great service and great health care at an affordable price they go bankrupt and have no patients, because someone else will come in and provide these services for the consumer.
What we have today is a system that does not allow competition, this along with the FED increasing the money supply and debasing our currency, is why medicine is so expensive.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pm (#)
Can you illiterate Americans believe this propaganda? You have to understand that your system first and understand that your private healthcare has put you as the worst country behind Honduras in services and care. Can you ever say this man makes sense on health care? Read a book Americans because your education levels are the worst from all Western states hence your views on healthcare and especially if there is any supporters of Ron Paul.
October 30th, 2009 at 6:31 pm (#)
Fail in logic much, sir? Or, are you suffering from a serious case of cranial-rectal inversion? I suppose your infantile-like lashing out is a moot point, considering "illiterate" Americans won't be able to read such spiteful comments like yours in the first place. Thankfully, nobody wants to listen to such guttural vomit of mental surrender when you're postulating that a doctor couldn't ever make sense on health care!
Get real, get a life, and get off your high horse. Last thing people need, who aren't masochistic, is fact-less diatribes from an anti-American troll.
October 30th, 2009 at 7:09 pm (#)
It is interesting that Joe would call Ron Paul's view propaganda and insist that Americans start reading books. Anyone can read books but it would seem your reading selection has led you down the path of standard indoctrination. That is, the Gov. can fix all things and provide a safety net for everyone. Wake up! Every system the Gov. has created, taken over or regulated is broken or bankrupt! If you were an employer, would you hire anyone who made such a mess of everything they touched? Yet, many of you are clamoring for more Gov. control of health care… YES, our health care system is in poor shape but you fail miserably to place the blame where it belongs. Instead of reading the latest ideas or legislation perhaps you should read some history and see where we've fallen from. Not just on health care but a myriad of other issues like education, etc. Once you've done that, try and find the common denominator in all of these failings. The exercise will be good for you…
October 30th, 2009 at 7:11 pm (#)
the last 8 years he was busy warning congress that they were creating a financial nightmare… look up his speeches in 2003. And Keynesianism does = big government otherwise Keynes theory wouldn't work… he said it himself (although it doesn't work anyways unfortunately).
October 30th, 2009 at 7:17 pm (#)
The problems have arisen because of government involvement in the system. No other country has made the medical advancements that we have over the last 100 years…. do you really think if we choose government care (meaning a stagnate supply of healthcare… also one which does not actively seek to improve care and efficiency) that things would be cheaper? better? Please explain… arguments about policy can not just be "feeling" because otherwise we try and solve problems with good intention rather than cause and effect. And living in the world it is obviously cause and effect which should decide our policies not sympathetic policies which ignore the consequences and end up exacerbating the problems.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:46 pm (#)
Ron Paul is The Man!
Please run again in 2012.
The USA needs you.
October 30th, 2009 at 9:00 pm (#)
I don't think the Gov. can fix everything but I certainly don't believe that corporations and individual entrepreneurs (operating without rules, regulations or proper accountability) are going to worry about the commonwealth or safety of this country. Like the man said — unbridled capitalism is about 1 thing and 1 thing only — profit (!!). It's interesting that Congress hasn't conducted a study of the distribution of wealth since the mid 1970s. That report stated that the distribution of wealth more was more disparate than anytime in post- Revolutionary War history (including during the Great Depression). The report also warned that if we didn't do something about it — it would just keep getting worse.
October 31st, 2009 at 12:45 am (#)
If I were an american I would have wished Ron Paul were president – the man is smart and like the rest of the world is just sick of war for no reason. It isn't about terrorism its about capitalism. You should all be listening to this guy.
October 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm (#)
You are correct Americans are illiterate and you can thank your Government schools for this. I guess that is the level of expectation you have for our health care also?
October 31st, 2009 at 2:52 pm (#)
Ron Paul is right. Plain and simple. KISS- Keep it Simple Stupid. The more complicated something is, the more room you have for corruption.
October 31st, 2009 at 4:10 pm (#)
This idea that eliminating government intervention in the market is akin to elimination of all regulation is simply false. The only regulation that need removing are the functionless forms and those that show favoritism and put the force of law behind a particular service or product. In many cases that service is pure usury.
That's right, banks make lots of money on the redistribution of wealth (rich to poor, rich to rich, poor to rich, middle class to everyone else), but no new wealth is created.
The poor stay that way, the middle class collapses, and the very rich get ever richer.
You are being robbed blind. and you like it. Not my kink, but more power to you.
October 31st, 2009 at 5:20 pm (#)
I worked my ass off for Congressman Ron Paul in 2008 and I'll work a gazillion times harder for the good doctor in 2012…. Run Paul, Run in 2012….
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 am (#)
They are not just profits, it's called an exchange. You get something for giving something, it's the fairest system in the world. Thinking one should get something for nothing, at the expense of someone else is what is evil. Willingly giving something to another and getting nothing in return is love. Capitalism is the medium here and is the right place to work from. Anything above and beyond should be a choice, and is a moral issue people need to work out for themselves. Anything less is stealing.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm (#)
It is apparent that the attack is to make us supporters of Dr. Paul to be unintelligent and immoral. This is laughable because I see it the other way around. I am very well read and most of my reading is dealing with free markets, economics, and founding priciples. The elimination of central banking is the biggest obstacle fro a free nation. We had a hundred odd years of it, and multiple assasinations before 1913 brought us back into servitutde. Until such time as we the people in local and state governance have the power back, the United States is not free, nor is our Constitution being observed, respected,and followed. It was the best system for self governance, power to the people to rights of life, liberty,a nd the pursuit of happiness. Not for a military industrial complex, a health care mafia, and stong armed lobbist with multi-billion dollar wallets buying the very souls of our representatives. Sad, just sad. It is not capitalisms fault, it is the leeches who suck the marrow from the bones of the machine.
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:03 pm (#)
the distribution of wealth to the rich has been going on since the the early 70s (well technically late 60s), but this was mainly the result of the collapse of the bretton woods gold peg system in 1971. as the amount of gold the US had no longer restricted the size of the government debt deficeit spending bolloned and inflation exploded with it. inflation is always benifical to those with assests and debt, ie the rich and the government and determental to the poor and middle class who spend a greater portion of their income of inflated prices. so yes you correctly point out that income disparity has increased but fail apportion blame to the correct party, ie big spending debt mongering 'let off the leash' government.
January 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm (#)
This is someone who is simply misinformed. Capitalism by definition is NOT the endless pursuit of profits above all else. Capitalism is merely a system in which the means of production (for all things including healthcare) are privately owned (not owned by the government) and in which individuals may freely choose to enter into any transaction they choose so long as the other party finds the transaction mutually beneficial. It is trade in goods and services without coercion. Money is not an end but simply an efficient means to make those transactions possible. It is the most just system in the world because money, like true justice, is blind. It is freedom. However, it must be noted that there are many who like yourself feel that charity and goodwill toward others is more important than money. If you truly feel that way, under a capitalist system, you are free give your money to a charitable hospital. I simply don't want you making the decision of where I should direct my charitable giving for me. If you look at the way our society functions, those who truly have a surplus of means that exceeds their chosen ends often turn to philanthropy – just look at Gates, Buffet, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Kroc, Franklin, the list goes on.
January 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm (#)
This is someone who is simply misinformed. Capitalism by definition is NOT the endless pursuit of profits above all else. Capitalism is merely a system in which the means of production (for all things including healthcare) are privately owned (not owned by the government) and in which individuals may freely choose to enter into any transaction they choose so long as the other party finds the transaction mutually beneficial. It is trade in goods and services without coercion. Money is not an end but simply an efficient means to make those transactions possible. It is the most just system in the world because money, like true justice, is blind. It is freedom. However, it must be noted that there are many who like yourself feel that charity and goodwill toward others is more important than money. If you truly feel that way, under a capitalist system, you are free give your money to a charitable hospital. I simply don't want you making the decision of where I should direct my charitable giving for me. If you look at the way our society functions, those who truly have a surplus of means that exceeds their chosen ends often turn to philanthropy – just look at Gates, Buffet, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Kroc, Franklin, the list goes on.