Liberty MavenThe Palin-Cons are the same old Neo-Cons
October 7th, 2009 2:29 pm | by Marc Gallagher | Published in Blowback, Commentary, Foreign Policy, Libertarianism, Liberty, Neo-con, Politics, Ron Paul, War, globalism, sarah palin | 22 Responses
I saw a bumper sticker today that said, “I Love Sarah”. I assumed it meant Sarah Palin and not Sarah Jessica Parker, but I can’t be sure. Last month Palin was echoing Ron Paul on the role of the Federal Reserve in America’s economic crisis. I encouraged her (not that she gives one moose about what I think) to echo Ron Paul on foreign policy as well.
Yesterday it became quite clear that she was never in danger of becoming a foreign policy non-interventionist like Paul.
Palin published a note on her Facebook page Tuesday that encourages President Barack Obama to grant a request for the tens of thousands of additional troops reportedly requested by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in the country.
“Now is not the time for cold feet, second thoughts, or indecision,” Palin wrote on the site. “It is the time to act as commander-in-chief and approve the troops so clearly needed in Afghanistan.”
Noting the possible consequences of not helping to build up Afghanistan’s institutions, the former Alaska governor also wholeheartedly endorsed McChrystal’s counterinsurgency approach to continued U.S. military presence in the country.
“We can win in Afghanistan by helping the Afghans build a stable representative state able to defend itself. And we must do what it takes to prevail. The stakes are very high. The 9/11 attacks were planned in Afghanistan, and if we are not successful there, al Qaeda will once again find a safe haven, the Taliban will impose its cruelty on the Afghan people, and Pakistan will be less stable.”
She is just confirming that she never was and never will be a libertarian, especially when it comes to foreign policy. Don’t let the new designation (or Eric Dondero) fool you. The Palin-Cons are the same old Neo-Cons.
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October 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pm (#)
Good article and thanks for pointing this out. I was wondering just how, "Rogue" she was going to be. They just can't grasp that un-winnable wars are also a drain on our debt. Too much hubris and pride to see the reality of our situation, I guess.
October 7th, 2009 at 8:28 pm (#)
Certain Republicans Sarah Palin because she's not a conservative groupie that will bend to their will. The will of the same old sh*t again club I guess. If its not the radical Dems freaking out its the stuffy corrupt Republicans.
October 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm (#)
Note to fatlibertarian:
Wars can be won, you just have to have the will to do it.
Obama is willing to lose.
October 7th, 2009 at 8:59 pm (#)
Since when does Libertarian mean Losertarian?
Liberarians support winning Wars, particularly against Islamo-Fascists who hate Capitalism, want to destroy our civil liberties, and would kill us if we refuse to convert.
The author of this article is either completely ignorant of the libertarian movement, or is a total Newbie, who has bought into the lie that we Libertarians are somehow War Wimps and Pacifists.
Sarah Palin is THEE Top Libertarian in the United States today, and anyone who thinks otherwise has their head up their asses.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pm (#)
Hahaha, I was wondering how quickly neo-con Dondero would take to reply to this article.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#)
Me too… when I was writing it I thought, "hey I should put Dondero's name right here"… but I chose not to…. but now with this comment I have reconsidered my restraint and added it.
The best example of what Dondero is all about can be found in this conversation he had with actual libertarian Harry Browne back in 2005 when Browne schools Dondero on libertarianism (listen to the 2nd clip):
http://libertymaven.com/2007/10/11/a-happy-libert...
Enjoy!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#)
Me too… when I was writing it I thought, "hey I should put Dondero's name right here"… but I chose not to…. but now with this comment I have reconsidered my restraint and added it.
The best example of what Dondero is all about can be found in this conversation he had with actual libertarian Harry Browne back in 2005 when Browne schools Dondero on libertarianism (listen to the 2nd clip):
http://libertymaven.com/2007/10/11/a-happy-libert...
Enjoy!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#)
Me too… when I was writing it I thought, "hey I should put Dondero's name right here"… but I chose not to…. but now with this comment I have reconsidered my restraint and added it.
The best example of what Dondero is all about can be found in this conversation he had with actual libertarian Harry Browne back in 2005 when Browne schools Dondero on libertarianism (listen to the 2nd clip):
http://libertymaven.com/2007/10/11/a-happy-libert...
Enjoy!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#)
Me too… when I was writing it I thought, "hey I should put Dondero's name right here"… but I chose not to…. but now with this comment I have reconsidered my restraint and added it.
The best example of what Dondero is all about can be found in this conversation he had with actual libertarian Harry Browne back in 2005 when Browne schools Dondero on libertarianism (listen to the 2nd clip):
http://libertymaven.com/2007/10/11/a-happy-libert...
Enjoy!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#)
Me too… when I was writing it I thought, "hey I should put Dondero's name right here"… but I chose not to…. but now with this comment I have reconsidered my restraint and added it.
The best example of what Dondero is all about can be found in this conversation he had with actual libertarian Harry Browne back in 2005 when Browne schools Dondero on libertarianism (listen to the 2nd clip):
http://libertymaven.com/2007/10/11/a-happy-libert...
Enjoy!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#)
Me too… when I was writing it I thought, "hey I should put Dondero's name right here"… but I chose not to…. but now with this comment I have reconsidered my restraint and added it.
The best example of what Dondero is all about can be found in this conversation he had with actual libertarian Harry Browne back in 2005 when Browne schools Dondero on libertarianism (listen to the 2nd clip):
http://libertymaven.com/2007/10/11/a-happy-libert...
Enjoy!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#)
Me too… when I was writing it I thought, "hey I should put Dondero's name right here"… but I chose not to…. but now with this comment I have reconsidered my restraint and added it.
The best example of what Dondero is all about can be found in this conversation he had with actual libertarian Harry Browne back in 2005 when Browne schools Dondero on libertarianism (listen to the 2nd clip):
http://libertymaven.com/2007/10/11/a-happy-libert...
Enjoy!
October 8th, 2009 at 12:22 am (#)
Ahhh, yes, thanks for that reminder. That clip demonstrates beautifully just how much of a raving lunatic Dondero really is, lest anyone be tempted to take his side accidentally.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:50 am (#)
Hey LibertarianMike you better remove that "Libertarian" in front of your name. As far as I know, you've never lifted a goddmaned finger to help the libertarian movement out.
You earn your libertarian stripes by petitioning for the Libertarian Party, helping to elect libertarian Republican and Libertarian Party candidates for office, and supporting and donating to their campaigns, not by typing away at a keyboard.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:52 am (#)
Harry Browne "schooled me" on libertarianism. That's funny, cause I've been a LIBERTARIAN decades longer than Browne, who was a self-professed Anarchist who hated the Libertarian Party and all Libertarians for years, until he saw an opportunity to make a little doe in promoting gold and his investments newsletters as the Libertarian Party's Presidential candidate.
Anarchism does not equal Libertarian.
October 8th, 2009 at 12:55 am (#)
Hey AuthoritarianMike, what part of the below points, all of which I support, strikes you as "NeoCon"?
ProChoice
Pro-Drug Legalization
Pro-Prostitution
Pro-Gambling
Pro-Abolish the IRS
Pro-Gold Standard
Pro-Get the US out of the UN
Pro-Free Speech
Anti-Seat Belt Laws
Anti-Smoking Bans
States Rights on Speed Limits
No Military Draft/No National Service
Pro-Swingers Rights
Does that sound like an agenda Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol or the boys at the Weekly Standard would endorse?
October 8th, 2009 at 2:50 am (#)
As a retired military libertarian-Republican, I have one distinction to bring to the table: Under the widely understood libertarian concept of non-aggression, I agree that we should not initiate violence. I do not however, think that we should abandon our troops when they are–by legal contract–fighting a war at the direction of the commander-in-chief. What I mean is that we owe it to our troops that when we deploy them into harm's way, we support them 100%, or we get them out of danger, immediately. We owe them no less.
The Neocons–such as Dondero–through their ignorance got us into this mess. Reality requires that we win and then leave. No, bases, no 'presence' nothing more. Win and go. Those who have died for us and our freedom are owed no less.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:34 am (#)
This just goes to show how little you know about me…about as little as you know about what it means to be libertarian. Your words and actions speak for themselves.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:37 am (#)
Of course we agree on those topic. You just left out the one important bullet that separates you from libertarians:
- anti-interventionism (non-aggression)
October 8th, 2009 at 3:43 am (#)
Steven, I agree with you except for one thing: the concept of "winning" here.
As I see it, there's no way to truly win. We've already lost lots of lives. The best thing we could do is surgically aim for those SPECIFIC individuals who took part in the 9/11 attacks and bring them to justice. I fully agree with Harry Browne's sentiments that sending over a zillion troops and blowing everything to smithereens (killing hundreds of thousands of innocents in the process) in order to "get" the few guilty ones is not only a failure, but it clearly makes things worse. Since we've invaded a country had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks (Iraq) and killed so many innocent people (and lowered the lifespan of the average Iraqi seven years), our actions are obviously going to breed contempt. So what's going to happen again? More attacks against us. The cycle of aggression will go on forever. Brilliant.
October 8th, 2009 at 4:01 am (#)
Hey, the "new" Neocon-Libertarian loves all kinds of wars! Wars in third world countries killing civilians, women and children; wars on drugs (the kind Big Pharma doesn't peddle); wars on "terror" (the kind where you snitch on your neighbors) — it's the latest thing! The New Libertarian Warmongers!
I elect Eric Donderbutt and his whore Sarah Palin to be the ringleader clowns of this new party!
October 8th, 2009 at 4:58 am (#)
You don't support the troops if ….
What garbage.
The troops are under the control of civilian politicians in this country.
Disagreeing with the politicians that deploy the troops is not the same as not supporting the troops.
Because some people appear to have forgotten.
Politicians are scum of the earth. Especially the ones that deploy the troops.