Liberty MavenDemocrats would rather spank Joe Wilson than follow the Constitution
September 11th, 2009 9:42 pm | by Marc Gallagher | Published in Big Government, Commentary, Constitution, Liberty, Maven Commentary, congress | 33 Responses
Oh dear, now look what Rep. Joe Wilson got himself into.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic leaders are planning a House vote early next week to admonish Republican Rep. Joe Wilson if he does not apologize on the House floor for yelling “You lie!” during President Barack Obama’s health care address to Congress.
What is the point of this other than more political gamesmanship? The “Democratic leaders” should be paying attention to more important things than Joe Wilson’s outburst. I don’t know about you but I don’t vote so my lawmakers can stand up in the House wielding a verbal paddle for someone who happens to disagree with the President.
Meanwhile, the Constitution is “shat” upon almost daily by these same lawmakers who apparently have the authority to “admonish”. I bet Joe Wilson is shaking in his shoes. The last thing he wants is to get spanked (verbally) by his peers for speaking his mind in an attempt to lower the pedestal a bit that Obama stands upon.
How nice that the above linked article includes a demand from South Carolina’s beloved James Clyburn to do more than merely “admonish”:
But many Democrats remain angry and have pressed for further action. They say Wilson clearly violated House rules.
“This is about how elected officials should be conducting themselves in the well of the U.S. House of Representatives,” Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the third-ranking House Democrat, said in an interview Friday.
No, Jim. Elected officials like yourself should be following the supreme law of the land also known as the U.S. Constitution. Of course we know exactly how much you value that oath you took from your interview the other day with Judge Andrew Napolitano.
Jim, go ahead and admonish Joe Wilson. The American people should be admonishing you and many of your colleagues (including Joe Wilson) for pulling down your pants and pissing all over the Constitution on the House floor with just about every single vote you make.
That is at least a million times more disrespectful than the Joe Wilson outburst.
Let’s make a deal. How about the American people stop charging our elected officials with lying when they actually, oh I don’t know, STOP LYING?
September 12th, 2009 at 1:58 am (#)
Fuck you Wilson, you Red Neck racist. It's stupid whitw people like you who fucked this country, not inlegals
September 12th, 2009 at 2:14 am (#)
lol. Wow. You're a genius. You called Wilson a Red Neck racist, and yet your nickname is "Red Neck", and your term "stupid white people" is offensive, if not racist itself. Good piece of debate there, my friend. I don't understand why you guys always have to flaunt your intelligence by dropping f-bomb after f-bomb. Now THAT's well thought out dialogue.
September 12th, 2009 at 2:17 am (#)
Thank You Joe Wilson, You have shown the world what We are teaching our Children. It's OK to disrespect our Teachers, Policemen and yes the Commander and Chief of this Great Nation. Shame, Shame, Shame How will does one Explain to a Child about respect and honor for the Country. As President Ford once said: "It's OK to disagree, It's Not OK to be disagreeable. Mr. Wilson You now disgrace the Uniform you once wore.
September 12th, 2009 at 2:19 am (#)
I'm not sure whether to delete this claptrap or leave it here as an illustration of the complete and utter idiocy from some of those who have a different opinion than my own.
For now, I'll leave it because the 1st Amendment is still alive in my world. It gives you free reign to say whatever you want and make a jackass out of yourself.
The above comment is a prime example of this phenomenon.
Enjoy,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:23 am (#)
I cannot believe this man Wilson is in this position and acted with so much disrespect to the president of the United States.This man is a complete fool and showed it in his actions. He need to be accountable for his actions for this public outburst, unbelievable really. Think before you speak. Something should be done about this behavior.
September 12th, 2009 at 2:23 am (#)
Hmmm, not sure whether to delete this claptrap or leave it here as an illustration of the complete and utter idiocy from some of those who have a different opinion than my own.
For now, I'll leave it because the 1st Amendment is still alive in my world. It gives you free reign to say whatever you want and make a jackass out of yourself.
The above comment is a prime example of this phenomenon.
Enjoy,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:38 am (#)
okay,
clearly stupid white people didnt compeletly destroy the economy in 6 monthes in office, didnt want to create a health care system like and as bad as canada, no white guy chooses to governmently control everything,
now let me refrase this…. white people do this to… theyre called communists or liberals
but it was obama the black guy in office…. that compeltly put america into debt fot many many years. hes the worst presdient since carter! hes horrible! down with obama! next election he'll be out, the libs cant governmently control everything! and america will soon to be back to what the founding fathers wanted. If you believe the government should run your life go like in the United Kingdom!
September 12th, 2009 at 2:42 am (#)
Respect the rank and the office, if not the man, the woman, or the race of the individual. Joe Wilson, by not respecting the rank, soiled the sanctity of his office and the Congress. The first amendment may protect free speech but it does not guarantee impunity from exposing oneself as a rank amateur, boor, uncivilized and base shadowed stain of a man.
September 12th, 2009 at 2:45 am (#)
Big shock, a Republican who steps on the Constitution. Wilson has no class at all. We have a President who is addressing one of the most important issues that faces the American people and the GOP has politicized it, rather than working to come up with a suitable plan. This is not about 2012, it is about adjusting a failed system for America.
September 12th, 2009 at 2:46 am (#)
I wonder if Obama were white, would Wilson have disrespected the office with his outburst? I doubt it. For an elected congressman to disrespect the office of the presidency is unforgivable.
This current republican strategy to disrupt and distract is so childish. The public totally gets it. We are sick of the games and want honest real debate and solutions but this isn't how you do that. Joe Wilson should apologize.
September 12th, 2009 at 2:49 am (#)
Mr.Wilson,yes, you are entitled to speak your own mind,have your own thoughts,but in a RESPECTFUL matter.He is the president of the UNITED STATES,and should be treated as such!I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with what he said,just how you said it! It makes me wonder what you say about him behind closed doors.Yes,you apolized,but did you really mean it?Why did you need someone to tell you to apolize?I hope our children were not watching ! What do you suppose they are thinking?
September 12th, 2009 at 2:51 am (#)
Marc, you have clearly missed the point entirely. You go on and on about how Democrats should not be pursuing an apology and claim it is waste of time, unconstitutional and so on. However, you have overlooked the severity and importance of this situation. It is about respect, respect for whoever is in office, despite your politics, it is about appropriate behavior in a congressional setting and it is important to speak out against his behavior because it is simply unacceptable. Is this an example we want our children to follow? Is this the type of behavior we should just let go because well "it is just not worth the fight"…give me a break. Your dismissal of it and saying politicians should not seek an apology shows your clear bias and disturbing acceptance of disgusting behavior. You need to wake up and stop dismissing this type of behavior, Joe Wilson does not deserve the job of serving his state if he acts like a disrespectful moron…
September 12th, 2009 at 2:59 am (#)
I would like to add to John's point that I think you are missing: if Joe Wilson were the average Joe, his outburst would be excused. The old adage: if you don't like the law, run for office, go to DC and make a difference. Joe Wilson obviously is trying to make a difference by serving his state in office and is in the unique position of being able to actually do something about what he dislikes in government. For this reason, he should play by the rules which include maintaining a level of decorum above the average citizen. Why else do senators address one another as: "the distinguished gentleman from…" This is like an evangelist who preaches chastity turning around and cat calling a good looking woman walking down the street.
September 12th, 2009 at 3:10 am (#)
All I can say is Give 'Em HELL Joe! Sure, go to the well of the chamber – stand there and expose the lies of Pelosi and her slaves – after all, that is what those democrats want, more slaves. As for me, I just want congress, the president, and the courts to follow the constitution, not stomp on it! And, yes, Joe Wilson IS my congressman – and I applaud his actions. It was worth it to see Pelosi drop her jaw!
September 12th, 2009 at 3:16 am (#)
I have to agree with many comments here…it was totally wrong for Joe Wilson to be disruptive and combative during a speech…by Anyone….never mind that it is the President of the United States…I believe that the American people should get the same level of benefits that Joe and his colleagues enjoy, like the President actually said. He needs to be taken off the floor, permanently. I only wish I was a voter in SC.
September 12th, 2009 at 3:30 am (#)
I disagree with the majority here, and agree with Marc. Joe Wilson should be provided freedom of speech. Isn't that one of the first and most basic freedoms? If you're not about freedom – why would you spend time reading Marc?
September 12th, 2009 at 4:30 am (#)
Regarding "respecting the office" and "respecting people"… Offices can't earn respect so they themselves don't deserve respect nor disrespect. Individuals earn or do not earn respect no matter what their "stature" is in my view.
If you disagree with someone or you feel you have proof they are lying then shouting out "You Lie!" is not disrespectful in the least. You are merely making your voice heard and must suffer the consequences or benefits.
Why is it ok for Obama to use his "bully pulpit" speech to a Joint Session of Congress carried by the major networks into every American home to accuse his detractors of lying and not ok for the Joe Wilsons of the world to have their own opinion heard at the same venue?
Too many on both of the 2 major political "teams" these days use events like this as an attempt to silence dissent and stifle debate by "admonishing" or inducing some kind of penalty for the action.
If the Founding Fathers were on the floor the other night Obama would have had to deal with more than just a short-lived 2 word outburst against his decidedly unconstitutional proposals.
The point of this article was not to cast dispersions on Democrats. I'm an equal opportunity hater of both most lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. And just about every single one should be shouted down with "You Lie!" and that most certainly includes the President, no matter what his party affiliation happens to be.
With regard to the comments about how this teaches our kids the wrong thing… I only can agree with that if there's no external teaching going on from parents. It is the parents job to point out why or why not such an outburst is appropriate. If my kids were older and saw the outburst I'd certainly take the opportunity to discuss it with them as a "teachable moment". I hardly think any child is going to join up with the local street gang because some politician from SC yelled "You Lie!" to the POTUS. Given this, please spare me the what-about-the-kids arguments.
Enjoy and I appreciate all the comments,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 4:40 am (#)
Plain and simple, if you disrespect the President your going to have to pay for it.
September 12th, 2009 at 4:52 am (#)
You are a complete idiot and you need to learn to spell!
September 12th, 2009 at 4:59 am (#)
Not quite as plain or as simple. The rules have changed in the house. The rule used to be that all were quiet within when a speaker had the floor, including applause. The person responsible for keeping order and decorum is the Speaker of the House. In every instance were Ms Pelosi stood and applauded to points made by the speaker, President Obama, she invited a negative response from parties within the well. The President invited this response as well by his derogratory language aimed at those who disagree with him. Labeling an opposing view as a lie is strong language in speaking of those of whom have invited you in as a guest.
September 12th, 2009 at 5:06 am (#)
I don't know which one of you people are dumber. Besides your awful use of the English language, none of your comments are truthful, or even remotely accurate. Obama was not even inaugurated until after the economy was ruined by the previous, Republican dictatorship. Secondly, race has nothing to do with anything done by Obama or the mostly white executive, legislative, or judiciary branches of the government. Thirdly, I would like the author of this article, and the idiots commenting, to explain just how the democrats are "pissing" on the Constitution. Give one example of how any bill or law they have passed that has gone against the Constitution. I could list hundreds of ethical and U.S. laws that the Bush administration broke for 8 consecutive years. Just to lower myself to your level of idiocy, I will say "fuck you, you closed-minded, racist fucks!"
September 12th, 2009 at 5:55 am (#)
What Joe Wilson did in a Congressional session that was a also a speech to the Nation was not acceptable behaviour for a junior high school assembly. That is the issue here. He should be censured for unacceptable behaviour. The Sargeant at Arms should have removed him at the time. This has nothing to do with his or Obama's politics, it has to be with respect and knowing how to behave.
September 12th, 2009 at 7:53 am (#)
Why didn't the democrats that booed during President Bush's 2005 State of the Union Speech have to apologize? Why doesn't Nancy Pelosi have to apologize to the CIA for her offensive remarks? Why didn't Barack Obama apologize to the Cambridge, Massachusetts Police Force for his incorrect and inappropriate remark? If I didn't know better, I'd think there's a double-standard!!
Joe Wilson didn't lie. READ the Constitution and EDUCATE yourselves – don't simply regurgitate the pabulum that you're being fed by liberal politicians. Have you recently been to an emergency room?…..Do you think that the nurses and doctors are actually going to turn away illegal aliens who made up 90% of the emergency room where I sat? Anyone on American soil will be treated as a citizen. Look at the big picture – after illegals are granted healthcare, it's a quick step to citizenship because they already receive every other entitlement available to them.
Wake up and stop drinking the Kool-Aid! Think for yourselves!
September 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm (#)
It's not just the Democrats pissing on the Constitution. It's most of the lawmakers in DC. In the article I was pointing out the latest hypocrisy and it just happens to come from Dems this time.
For examples I will point you to Part 21 of Mike Miller's series of articles listing bills introduced that are Unconstitutional. In Part 21 Miller lists more than 100 unconstitutional bills introduced. Keep in mind this is only shows the bills introduced in a single day. In the other 20 parts Miller lists similar unconstitutional bills. Each part is a list of bills introduced on a single day. So instead of one example there are over 100 here and over a thousand in the previous articles:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/04/06/how-is-congres...
And once again… You are playing for your team rather than the country. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat so do not accuse me of going against one party or the other blindly. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-State. I learned how to be anti-State from reading and learning from America's Founders.
If I disagree with someone of color I'm not racist. I merely disagree with that person. Screaming racism at such disagreement can only be considered racism itself and speaks volumes about the accuser rather than those being accused.
Enjoy and thanks for your comment,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm (#)
It's not just the Democrats pissing on the Constitution. It's most of the lawmakers in DC. In the article I was pointing out the latest hypocrisy and it just happens to come from Dems this time.
For examples I will point you to Part 21 of Mike Miller's series of articles listing bills introduced that are Unconstitutional. In Part 21 Miller lists more than 100 unconstitutional bills introduced. Keep in mind this is only shows the bills introduced in a single day. In the other 20 parts Miller lists similar unconstitutional bills. Each part is a list of bills introduced on a single day. So instead of one example there are over 100 here and over a thousand in the previous articles:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/04/06/how-is-congres...
And once again… You are playing for your team rather than the country. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat so do not accuse me of going against one party or the other blindly. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-State. I learned how to be anti-State from reading and learning from America's Founders.
If I disagree with someone of color I'm not racist. I merely disagree with that person. Screaming racism at such disagreement can only be considered racism itself and speaks volumes about the accuser rather than those being accused.
Enjoy and thanks for your comment,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm (#)
It's not just the Democrats pissing on the Constitution. It's most of the lawmakers in DC. In the article I was pointing out the latest hypocrisy and it just happens to come from Dems this time.
For examples I will point you to Part 21 of Mike Miller's series of articles listing bills introduced that are Unconstitutional. In Part 21 Miller lists more than 100 unconstitutional bills introduced. Keep in mind this is only shows the bills introduced in a single day. In the other 20 parts Miller lists similar unconstitutional bills. Each part is a list of bills introduced on a single day. So instead of one example there are over 100 here and over a thousand in the previous articles:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/04/06/how-is-congres...
And once again… You are playing for your team rather than the country. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat so do not accuse me of going against one party or the other blindly. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-State. I learned how to be anti-State from reading and learning from America's Founders.
If I disagree with someone of color I'm not racist. I merely disagree with that person. Screaming racism at such disagreement can only be considered racism itself and speaks volumes about the accuser rather than those being accused.
Enjoy and thanks for your comment,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm (#)
It's not just the Democrats pissing on the Constitution. It's most of the lawmakers in DC. In the article I was pointing out the latest hypocrisy and it just happens to come from Dems this time.
For examples I will point you to Part 21 of Mike Miller's series of articles listing bills introduced that are Unconstitutional. In Part 21 Miller lists more than 100 unconstitutional bills introduced. Keep in mind this is only shows the bills introduced in a single day. In the other 20 parts Miller lists similar unconstitutional bills. Each part is a list of bills introduced on a single day. So instead of one example there are over 100 here and over a thousand in the previous articles:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/04/06/how-is-congres...
And once again… You are playing for your team rather than the country. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat so do not accuse me of going against one party or the other blindly. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-State. I learned how to be anti-State from reading and learning from America's Founders.
If I disagree with someone of color I'm not racist. I merely disagree with that person. Screaming racism at such disagreement can only be considered racism itself and speaks volumes about the accuser rather than those being accused.
Enjoy and thanks for your comment,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm (#)
It's not just the Democrats pissing on the Constitution. It's most of the lawmakers in DC. In the article I was pointing out the latest hypocrisy and it just happens to come from Dems this time.
For examples I will point you to Part 21 of Mike Miller's series of articles listing bills introduced that are Unconstitutional. In Part 21 Miller lists more than 100 unconstitutional bills introduced. Keep in mind this is only shows the bills introduced in a single day. In the other 20 parts Miller lists similar unconstitutional bills. Each part is a list of bills introduced on a single day. So instead of one example there are over 100 here and over a thousand in the previous articles:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/04/06/how-is-congres...
And once again… You are playing for your team rather than the country. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat so do not accuse me of going against one party or the other blindly. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-State. I learned how to be anti-State from reading and learning from America's Founders.
If I disagree with someone of color I'm not racist. I merely disagree with that person. Screaming racism at such disagreement can only be considered racism itself and speaks volumes about the accuser rather than those being accused.
Enjoy and thanks for your comment,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm (#)
It's not just the Democrats pissing on the Constitution. It's most of the lawmakers in DC. In the article I was pointing out the latest hypocrisy and it just happens to come from Dems this time.
For examples I will point you to Part 21 of Mike Miller's series of articles listing bills introduced that are Unconstitutional. In Part 21 Miller lists more than 100 unconstitutional bills introduced. Keep in mind this is only shows the bills introduced in a single day. In the other 20 parts Miller lists similar unconstitutional bills. Each part is a list of bills introduced on a single day. So instead of one example there are over 100 here and over a thousand in the previous articles:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/04/06/how-is-congres...
And once again… You are playing for your team rather than the country. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat so do not accuse me of going against one party or the other blindly. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-State. I learned how to be anti-State from reading and learning from America's Founders.
If I disagree with someone of color I'm not racist. I merely disagree with that person. Screaming racism at such disagreement can only be considered racism itself and speaks volumes about the accuser rather than those being accused.
Enjoy and thanks for your comment,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm (#)
It's not just the Democrats pissing on the Constitution. It's most of the lawmakers in DC. In the article I was pointing out the latest hypocrisy and it just happens to come from Dems this time.
For examples I will point you to Part 21 of Mike Miller's series of articles listing bills introduced that are Unconstitutional. In Part 21 Miller lists more than 100 unconstitutional bills introduced. Keep in mind this is only shows the bills introduced in a single day. In the other 20 parts Miller lists similar unconstitutional bills. Each part is a list of bills introduced on a single day. So instead of one example there are over 100 here and over a thousand in the previous articles:
http://libertymaven.com/2009/04/06/how-is-congres...
And once again… You are playing for your team rather than the country. I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat so do not accuse me of going against one party or the other blindly. Bush was bad. Obama is bad. To put it bluntly, I'm anti-State. I learned how to be anti-State from reading and learning from America's Founders.
If I disagree with someone of color I'm not racist. I merely disagree with that person. Screaming racism at such disagreement can only be considered racism itself and speaks volumes about the accuser rather than those being accused.
Enjoy and thanks for your comment,
Marc
September 12th, 2009 at 2:05 pm (#)
Josh,
I agree. Some will agree and others will disagree, but wasting more tax payer money by using valuable time on the floor of Congress to admonish someone for speaking out like Wilson did is an abuse in my view. Then again, at least the admonishment has no material effect on anything. I applaud a "do-nothing" Congress because when they do something it's usually not a good thing.
Enjoy,
Marc
September 15th, 2009 at 3:01 am (#)
So in your warpped veiw of things somehow "illegals" hurt themselves more? Please I have been a voting Republican in Tn all my life, and anyone with half a brain can see we need to change what we ae doing.
Ask yourself this question, if 25 educated people were to make a informed choice and only 1 person disagreed with the WHOLE GROUP, you would think that person was a loon. Well at least the top 25 (by GNP) countries in the world have goverenment backed healthcare, except this country. We in america can not assume we are right just because we want to be right. This country has always been able to change and embrace change. We can't let dogma adn thinnly veiled rasism stop us from doing the right thing.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:30 am (#)
South Carolina has a long list of dignitaries that includes Lauren Caitlin Upton (Miss Teen USA 2007 pageant contestant), Board of Education Chair, Kristin Maguire, Governor (and avid Appalachian hiker), Mark Sanford and now Joe “the hater not a debater” Wilson or the “screamer not the dreamer” as others have dubbed him. I did enjoy him cut and running through his apology, which only goes to show that he stands for nothing. He is just another good old boy where in the morning these married men preach to you that there should be prayer in our schools and in the evening they are on their cell phones setting up a date with their other women on the side, hypocrisy has been bred in. I am not surprised that he felt compel to yell like he was at some Friday night game. So long Joey, you too will be seeing the unemployment lines.