Comments on: It’s All Abraham Lincoln’s Fault http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/ For Liberty, One Individual At A Time Fri, 18 May 2012 14:27:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: marcg http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-5197 marcg Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:22:32 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-5197 Mike is correct... it was a bit of a "rhetorical flourish" as Tom Woods has been known to say. Lincoln started the "Cult of the Presidency" where we worship the Executive as Catholics worship the Pope. That is a very dangerous road and we've been on it since Lincoln with a few breaks in between (Harding, Coolidge, etc..). So no, it's not ALL his fault, but it can be said that he started it. Enjoy, Marc Mike is correct… it was a bit of a "rhetorical flourish" as Tom Woods has been known to say.

Lincoln started the "Cult of the Presidency" where we worship the Executive as Catholics worship the Pope. That is a very dangerous road and we've been on it since Lincoln with a few breaks in between (Harding, Coolidge, etc..).

So no, it's not ALL his fault, but it can be said that he started it.

Enjoy,
Marc

]]> By: marcg http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-5199 marcg Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:22:32 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-5199 Mike is correct... it was a bit of a "rhetorical flourish" as Tom Woods has been known to say. Lincoln started the "Cult of the Presidency" where we worship the Executive as Catholics worship the Pope. That is a very dangerous road and we've been on it since Lincoln with a few breaks in between (Harding, Coolidge, etc..). So no, it's not ALL his fault, but it can be said that he started it. Enjoy, Marc Mike is correct… it was a bit of a "rhetorical flourish" as Tom Woods has been known to say.

Lincoln started the "Cult of the Presidency" where we worship the Executive as Catholics worship the Pope. That is a very dangerous road and we've been on it since Lincoln with a few breaks in between (Harding, Coolidge, etc..).

So no, it's not ALL his fault, but it can be said that he started it.

Enjoy,
Marc

]]> By: LibertarianMike http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-5196 LibertarianMike Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:52:04 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-5196 I can't answer for Marc, but I strongly suspect the intention of the title was simply one of eye-catching hyperbole. I can't answer for Marc, but I strongly suspect the intention of the title was simply one of eye-catching hyperbole.

]]> By: LibertarianMike http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-5198 LibertarianMike Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:52:04 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-5198 I can't answer for Marc, but I strongly suspect the intention of the title was simply one of eye-catching hyperbole. I can't answer for Marc, but I strongly suspect the intention of the title was simply one of eye-catching hyperbole.

]]> By: Julie Gattenio http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-5192 Julie Gattenio Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:25:19 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-5192 I'm one of the folks that once had the same "blind hero worship" for Lincoln that you're talking about. While I still think very highly of him, it's true that he wasn't perfect. It seems a little extreme to claim that anything is "all his fault." There are countless factors in any situation, and it isn't rational to pin everything on one person. However, you do offer an interesting perspective. I'm one of the folks that once had the same "blind hero worship" for Lincoln that you're talking about. While I still think very highly of him, it's true that he wasn't perfect.

It seems a little extreme to claim that anything is "all his fault." There are countless factors in any situation, and it isn't rational to pin everything on one person. However, you do offer an interesting perspective.

]]> By: Julie Gattenio http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-5193 Julie Gattenio Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:25:19 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-5193 I'm one of the folks that once had the same "blind hero worship" for Lincoln that you're talking about. While I still think very highly of him, it's true that he wasn't perfect. It seems a little extreme to claim that anything is "all his fault." There are countless factors in any situation, and it isn't rational to pin everything on one person. However, you do offer an interesting perspective. I'm one of the folks that once had the same "blind hero worship" for Lincoln that you're talking about. While I still think very highly of him, it's true that he wasn't perfect.

It seems a little extreme to claim that anything is "all his fault." There are countless factors in any situation, and it isn't rational to pin everything on one person. However, you do offer an interesting perspective.

]]> By: Julie Gattenio http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-5194 Julie Gattenio Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:25:19 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-5194 I'm one of the folks that once had the same "blind hero worship" for Lincoln that you're talking about. While I still think very highly of him, it's true that he wasn't perfect. It seems a little extreme to claim that anything is "all his fault." There are countless factors in any situation, and it isn't rational to pin everything on one person. However, you do offer an interesting perspective. I'm one of the folks that once had the same "blind hero worship" for Lincoln that you're talking about. While I still think very highly of him, it's true that he wasn't perfect.

It seems a little extreme to claim that anything is "all his fault." There are countless factors in any situation, and it isn't rational to pin everything on one person. However, you do offer an interesting perspective.

]]> By: marcg http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-4562 marcg Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:18:55 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-4562 Thanks for adding your "wisdom" to the discussion. Enjoy, Marc Thanks for adding your "wisdom" to the discussion.

Enjoy,
Marc

]]> By: Dick Hurtz http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-4561 Dick Hurtz Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:54:50 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-4561 youre an idot youre an idot

]]> By: Mike Miller http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-2328 Mike Miller Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:38:49 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-2328 RBurnett, you've posted here on dozens of occasions discussing the Louisiana purchase, and the foibles of Thomas Jefferson. What's the point? Nobody here has ever stated that Jefferson was perfect. Nobody is perfect. There is no perfect example of a politician with respect to the values of Liberty. But it's not a black and white world. I only maintain that on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being perfect in the eyes of liberty, Jefferson is a 9 where Lincoln is maybe a 2. Is it your position that Jefferson was less a friend of Liberty than Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, and so may others? RBurnett, you’ve posted here on dozens of occasions discussing the Louisiana purchase, and the foibles of Thomas Jefferson. What’s the point? Nobody here has ever stated that Jefferson was perfect. Nobody is perfect. There is no perfect example of a politician with respect to the values of Liberty. But it’s not a black and white world. I only maintain that on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being perfect in the eyes of liberty, Jefferson is a 9 where Lincoln is maybe a 2. Is it your position that Jefferson was less a friend of Liberty than Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, and so may others?

]]> By: RBurnett http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/16/its-all-abraham-lincolns-fault/4378/comment-page-1/#comment-2327 RBurnett Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:55:11 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4378#comment-2327 Actually, it is all Thomas Jefferson's fault. It begins with the Louisiana Purchase. The salient points of the Purchase are these: It was an illegal action that broke the Constitution--admitted to by Jefferson himself. It was defended because it was necessary and that there is a law higher than the Constitution. And it was done by far sighted legislators and the executive for the citizens own good(see Jefferson'a letters to Breckenridge in late 1803 and to Calvin in 1810) It doubled the size of the nation, which increased the power of the central government (see Montesque's Sprirt of the Laws for his theory, still held, that an increase in a nation's land area will be an increase in its central govt's power) The monies paid out went to France, a France under Napoleon, who waged war on Europe with those funds, bringin a visit by the Briritsh to the US in 1812--so much for avoiding entaglements in Europe's wars. And the Purchase gave a huge push for Manifest Destiny, from which we got the Trail of Tears and the War with Mexico in 1846 (our most unjust war, bar none, as it was incited by the slave Staes and their interests to get land, not to mention the rip off done by the gold rush in California to take that part of Mexciso away from it) Whatever Lincoln did, or Obama, has roots and precedents in the action of the Purchase-- But you people honor Jefferson as some kind of Libertarian saint--What you people know, what homeschooled education you've goten, is hardly of any quality at all--it is just another set of alternative myths and legends. Actually, it is all Thomas Jefferson’s fault. It begins with the Louisiana Purchase. The salient points of the Purchase are these: It was an illegal action that broke the Constitution–admitted to by Jefferson himself. It was defended because it was necessary and that there is a law higher than the Constitution. And it was done by far sighted legislators and the executive for the citizens own good(see Jefferson’a letters to Breckenridge in late 1803 and to Calvin in 1810) It doubled the size of the nation, which increased the power of the central government (see Montesque’s Sprirt of the Laws for his theory, still held, that an increase in a nation’s land area will be an increase in its central govt’s power) The monies paid out went to France, a France under Napoleon, who waged war on Europe with those funds, bringin a visit by the Briritsh to the US in 1812–so much for avoiding entaglements in Europe’s wars. And the Purchase gave a huge push for Manifest Destiny, from which we got the Trail of Tears and the War with Mexico in 1846 (our most unjust war, bar none, as it was incited by the slave Staes and their interests to get land, not to mention the rip off done by the gold rush in California to take that part of Mexciso away from it) Whatever Lincoln did, or Obama, has roots and precedents in the action of the Purchase–
But you people honor Jefferson as some kind of Libertarian saint–What you people know, what homeschooled education you’ve goten, is hardly of any quality at all–it is just another set of alternative myths and legends.

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