Comments on: Wars are Manipulated http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/01/wars-are-manipulated/4225/ For Liberty, One Individual At A Time Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:44:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Doug Lasken http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/01/wars-are-manipulated/4225/comment-page-1/#comment-2260 Doug Lasken Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:20:40 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4225#comment-2260 My essay did not offer excuses for Hamas, or those using civilians as shields in Waziristan- quite the contrary; I state that these groups share full culpability with their foes. Strange how conspiracy theories are derided for being "theories," as if the very quality of their being unverifiable deserves scorn, since by definition a conspiracy is unknown. There is, by the way, a relatively new term in the lexicon of psychiatry: "pronoia." This refers to the belief that everyone is not out to get you, when in fact they are. As for my "blunder" regarding Kissinger, I think you forgot to state what that blunder was. Kissinger may say different things at different times, but at this particular time he said that we should have controlled nuclear war, as a better alternative to "nuclear stalemate." Talk about "nice." My essay did not offer excuses for Hamas, or those using civilians as shields in Waziristan- quite the contrary; I state that these groups share full culpability with their foes. Strange how conspiracy theories are derided for being “theories,” as if the very quality of their being unverifiable deserves scorn, since by definition a conspiracy is unknown. There is, by the way, a relatively new term in the lexicon of psychiatry: “pronoia.” This refers to the belief that everyone is not out to get you, when in fact they are.
As for my “blunder” regarding Kissinger, I think you forgot to state what that blunder was. Kissinger may say different things at different times, but at this particular time he said that we should have controlled nuclear war, as a better alternative to “nuclear stalemate.” Talk about “nice.”

]]> By: RBurnett http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/01/wars-are-manipulated/4225/comment-page-1/#comment-2259 RBurnett Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:12:03 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4225#comment-2259 Mr Laskin: Are you trying to manipulate me? Yes. The recent conflict in Gaza that you describe, as an example, was not merely about the bomb that killed the Israeli soldier, but was also about those Hamas missles being fired into Israel. Those innocent villagers in Afghanistan are shields, voluntaty or not, for the remanants of Al Queda, the organization that did the 9/11--but then again, I suspect that you have other ideas about who was responsible. I was amazed that you didn't go back and rehash the conspiracy junk about JFK or Pearl Harbor. Sure, people are manipulated, the causes of wars can be and are manipulated, and governments as well. But that's a price paid for the weakness in human resoning the Madison describes in the Tenth Federalist, where this weakness makes factions, factions that are against private rights and public good. And people. governments and manipulators blunder or get unlucky as anyone familiar with say, Machiavelli's famous chapter on conspiracies in the Discourses knows. But there is a drive on by certain rationalists, to place all human activity into boxes, which boxes contain the explanations for human acts, to include those strange events or complex events. But this attempt fails when it comes to long standing conflicts (the recent stuff in Gaza is at the end of over two thousand years or so of such), events that have some strange things (attempts to explain the Battle of Midway almost always end in one of two conclusions, that either the Japanese were foreordained to lose or that the Americans received a miracle) Last note: Kissinger also wrote his doctoral thesis, now in book form called A World Restored, about the Congress ov Vienna, and another called Diplomacy--you should read these also before blundering again about what Kissinger thought. Kissinger is of an old school, where, like Plato or Machivellli, he will say one thing in one way in a certain place, and another thing on the same subkect, seemingly in contradiction, in another place. Hypocrisy? Not at all. The idea, in part, is to make the attentive reader think, the other is to observe the terms and conditions of the context. A lot of Lincoln scholars go off and blunder, thinking that they know better--there are a few who beg off on this kind of blundering, such as Mattingly in his The Armada, where he describes how Elizabeth wrote and covered pages with her writings, but really said nothing much at all, giving only hints, that he, the historian admitted that he couldn't fathom. The Liberty Maven's Liberty Hero Dilorenzo shows no such caution--as you do not regarding Kissinger. So, you are another manipulator--how nice. Mr Laskin:
Are you trying to manipulate me?
Yes.
The recent conflict in Gaza that you describe, as an example, was not merely about the bomb that killed the Israeli soldier, but was also about those Hamas missles being fired into Israel.
Those innocent villagers in Afghanistan are shields, voluntaty or not, for the remanants of Al Queda, the organization that did the 9/11–but then again, I suspect that you have other ideas about who was responsible.
I was amazed that you didn’t go back and rehash the conspiracy junk about JFK or Pearl Harbor.
Sure, people are manipulated, the causes of wars can be and are manipulated, and governments as well. But that’s a price paid for the weakness in human resoning the Madison describes in the Tenth Federalist, where this weakness makes factions, factions that are against private rights and public good.
And people. governments and manipulators blunder or get unlucky as anyone familiar with say, Machiavelli’s famous chapter on conspiracies in the Discourses knows.
But there is a drive on by certain rationalists, to place all human activity into boxes, which boxes contain the explanations for human acts, to include those strange events or complex events. But this attempt fails when it comes to long standing conflicts (the recent stuff in Gaza is at the end of over two thousand years or so of such), events that have some strange things (attempts to explain the Battle of Midway almost always end in one of two conclusions, that either the Japanese were foreordained to lose or that the Americans received a miracle)
Last note: Kissinger also wrote his doctoral thesis, now in book form called A World Restored, about the Congress ov Vienna, and another called Diplomacy–you should read these also before blundering again about what Kissinger thought. Kissinger is of an old school, where, like Plato or Machivellli, he will say one thing in one way in a certain place, and another thing on the same subkect, seemingly in contradiction, in another place. Hypocrisy? Not at all. The idea, in part, is to make the attentive reader think, the other is to observe the terms and conditions of the context. A lot of Lincoln scholars go off and blunder, thinking that they know better–there are a few who beg off on this kind of blundering, such as Mattingly in his The Armada, where he describes how Elizabeth wrote and covered pages with her writings, but really said nothing much at all, giving only hints, that he, the historian admitted that he couldn’t fathom. The Liberty Maven’s Liberty Hero Dilorenzo shows no such caution–as you do not regarding Kissinger.
So, you are another manipulator–how nice.

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]]> By: charrob http://libertymaven.com/2009/02/01/wars-are-manipulated/4225/comment-page-1/#comment-2256 charrob Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:13:50 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=4225#comment-2256 When will the Ron Paul right join with the Dennis Kucinich left in the many policies they agree on? ie. foreign policy, outsourcing/NAFTA, greed/corporate interests controlling our wealth and destroying freedoms? I marched for Ron Paul this past July 2008 in D.C. with my anti-war sign, and wonder if any of Ron Paul's supporters will join me in the March 2009 anti-war march in D.C. put on by groups such as ANSWER? When will the Ron Paul right join with the Dennis Kucinich left in the many policies they agree on? ie. foreign policy, outsourcing/NAFTA, greed/corporate interests controlling our wealth and destroying freedoms?

I marched for Ron Paul this past July 2008 in D.C. with my anti-war sign, and wonder if any of Ron Paul’s supporters will join me in the March 2009 anti-war march in D.C. put on by groups such as ANSWER?

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