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]]> http://libertymaven.com/2008/11/22/ron-pauls-constitutional-jihad/3419/comment-page-1/#comment-1904 RBurnett Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:15:51 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/?p=3419#comment-1904 OK, I am going to say this one last time. The Constitution was and is a bundle of compromises, with any number of illegal or questionable actions by the Framers and Founders in the first decade or two of its existence. A few examples are the Sedition Act, the Louisiana Purchase, the undeclared war with France, the First U S Bank (followed by the Second in Madison's administration) and the problem with the way the President and VP were elected, remedied after the near debacle of the 1800 election. And the beginning so judicial review and presidential perogitives and certain Congressional practices began also during that first twenty years-- If these so-called giants, those Framers and Founders, can muck up the sacred Constitution within the same space of time from the fall of the berlin Wall to now--then what hoipe has Paul or anyone of reinstating the strict Constitution of at least 1787 or perahps later with the Bill--all you'd get would be another twenty years od space before the roof fell in--and the culprits? No, not Wall St, but Main St. it never fails to amuse me that most libertarians will claim that people aka the free market will make good choices, while the same people aka as voters will make bad choices. What? People are good chosers on Mondays when they go to market but bad ones on Tuesdays when they vote? hardly. Madison remarked that even if every citizen of Athens was a Socrates, you would still have a mob. And this mob, even though prevented from directly governing or, indeed, controlling the free market (the choices of products is really in the hands of the producers, just as the political choices are limited by the Constitution and the political parties) will still get what it wants if it wants it long enough and gets those representatives to make law or products for it. If some set of consumers want say, a SUV and a George Bush, and they press for it long enough, they will get thgose things and people despite the stuff about gas guzzlers and neoconservatives. Indeed, J S Mill, in his On Liberty, after proclaiming the sovereign individual and his rights, denied self-government to the immature, saying that despotism is a legitimate mode of government when dealing with barbarians--youknow them--the enemies of the environment or the neoconservatives or whatever other enemies of the people there are--of course, if the people as a whole go off their medicine, well, then we can only hope for the despotism of some enlightened statesman to get us back on track-- And Ron Paul has no attributes in this area--voting No is not any such activity of a statesman. And running back to the Constitution of 1787 or even 1800 is no solution--this throw back evades the questions that vexes America and have been and are with us. But I have said all of this before--and I shall stop, as I am spitting into the wind in this forum-- I can only say this last thing, which usually hurts those who do know better--that we are in for eights years of Obama, if the economy recovers and we get out of the wars and no other uncertainty pounds down his door--and if things are better in 2016, then the Dems will have another four years--by which time Ron Paul will be long retired and his Revolution dead and buried. The question is what will you all do in 2020, when it seems that that year will be the next time for a so-called change? The Revolution and the Paulites are already buried but are excused by the fact that they do not know this-- OK, I am going to say this one last time.
The Constitution was and is a bundle of compromises, with any number of illegal or questionable actions by the Framers and Founders in the first decade or two of its existence.
A few examples are the Sedition Act, the Louisiana Purchase, the undeclared war with France, the First U S Bank (followed by the Second in Madison’s administration)
and the problem with the way the President and VP were elected, remedied after the near debacle of the 1800 election.
And the beginning so judicial review and presidential perogitives and certain Congressional practices began also during that first twenty years–
If these so-called giants, those Framers and Founders, can muck up the sacred Constitution within the same space of time from the fall of the berlin Wall to now–then what hoipe has Paul or anyone of reinstating the strict Constitution of at least 1787 or perahps later with the Bill–all you’d get would be another twenty years od space before the roof fell in–and the culprits?
No, not Wall St, but Main St.
it never fails to amuse me that most libertarians will claim that people aka the free market will make good choices, while the same people aka as voters will make bad choices. What? People are good chosers on Mondays when they go to market but bad ones on Tuesdays when they vote? hardly. Madison remarked that even if every citizen of Athens was a Socrates, you would still have a mob.
And this mob, even though prevented from directly governing or, indeed, controlling the free market (the choices of products is really in the hands of the producers, just as the political choices are limited by the Constitution and the political parties) will still get what it wants if it wants it long enough and gets those representatives to make law or products for it.
If some set of consumers want say, a SUV and a George Bush, and they press for it long enough, they will get thgose things and people despite the stuff about gas guzzlers and neoconservatives.
Indeed, J S Mill, in his On Liberty, after proclaiming the sovereign individual and his rights, denied self-government to the immature, saying that despotism is a legitimate mode of government when dealing with barbarians–youknow them–the enemies of the environment or the neoconservatives or whatever other enemies of the people there are–of course, if the people as a whole go off their medicine, well, then we can only hope for the despotism of some enlightened statesman to get us back on track–
And Ron Paul has no attributes in this area–voting No is not any such activity of a statesman. And running back to the Constitution of 1787 or even 1800 is no solution–this throw back evades the questions that vexes America and have been and are with us.
But I have said all of this before–and I shall stop, as I am spitting into the wind in this forum–
I can only say this last thing, which usually hurts those who do know better–that we are in for eights years of Obama, if the economy recovers and we get out of the wars and no other uncertainty pounds down his door–and if things are better in 2016, then the Dems will have another four years–by which time Ron Paul will be long retired and his Revolution dead and buried.
The question is what will you all do in 2020, when it seems that that year will be the next time for a so-called change?
The Revolution and the Paulites are already buried but are excused by the fact that they do not know this–

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