Voting Guide For The Ron Paul Supporter: Bob Barr vs. Chuck Baldwin

October 15th, 2008 10:40 am  |  by Marc Gallagher  |  Published in Activism, Bob Barr, Election, Free Market, Liberty, Maven Commentary, Philosophy, Politics, Ron Paul  |  9 Responses

For the Ron Paul supporter living in Louisiana or Montana you are somewhat lucky. Ron Paul will be on your ballot on November 4th so you can vote for him. For the rest of us who reject the write in of Ron Paul as truly a wasted effort the decision comes down to two candidates: Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin. Anyone who reads Liberty Maven regularly knows I’m supporting Bob Barr, but my goal is to make this comparison unbiased. Continue reading to see if I’m successful.

First and foremost, if you believe in true liberty your only choices for President are Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin. Ralph Nader is not a viable choice. He is far too anti-free market. Cynthia McKinney is also not a realistic choice. She is more socialist-leaning than Obama. I also reject the write in of Ron Paul because doing so is the equivalent of staying home on election day, writing ‘Ron Paul’ on a piece of paper, then throwing it in the trash. Of course, there is also a good argument to be made that voting for Barr or Baldwin will have little effect since neither is going to come close to winning, but unlike a write-in at least their vote totals will be registered no matter how minuscule they end up being.

Now that the choice is narrowed down to our two liberty candidates, which is the better choice? Let’s find out.

Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin agree much more than they disagree on the issues themselves. There are notable exceptions. Chuck Baldwin is much more a purist/radical than Barr on issues like abolishing the Federal Reserve and U.S. Sovereignty. It’s hard to find a Baldwin speech where he doesn’t mention how electing him would make “the New World Order come crashing down.” Barr takes a more moderate approach to these issues in an attempt to woo conservative Republicans and more mainstream votes. To the purist, Bob Barr could be considered a “sell out” or “lacking integrity” for this strategy. To the moderate it is precisely the best way to run a campaign and maximize exposure and votes.

Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin for President. That may be enough for those that believe Ron Paul is the one true all-freedom all-liberty can-do-no-wrong Lord of the Revolution. For those that dig a little deeper some concerns arise. Ron Paul has his own PAC called the Liberty PAC. On it’s website Paul endorses sending money to several candidates who are neoconservative warmongers. For me, this negates any credibility a Ron Paul endorsement has on affecting my own choice for President.

Going back to the issues, Chuck Baldwin’s views on trade are not in the same ballpark as those of Ron Paul or even Bob Barr for that matter. To put it simply, Baldwin is a protectionist. FreeColorado.com sums Baldwin’s protectionism rather well.

Note that Baldwin is not merely advocating tariffs as a least-bad tax, to be imposed evenly across the board so as to impose the least economic damage. No. Baldwin is advocating tariffs to impose protectionism, to limit free trade. He wants tariffs “based on the difference between the foreign item’s cost of production abroad and the cost of production of a similar item produced in the United States.”

Baldwin’s position is antithetical to liberty and free markets. That Paul, allegedly a sympathizer with Austrian economics, would endorse a protectionist — a protectionist! — for president is horrendous. Mises would be appalled.

It’s difficult not to accept that Baldwin is a protectionist on trade, but I don’t necessarily buy into the claims that he is a theocrat. The Constitution Party platform invokes the bible and God, and Baldwin is the Constitution Party’s nominee. However, Baldwin is his own man, and while he is a church man, he does believe in states rights on the questions of same sex marriage and abortion. For that he should be commended.

Concerns also arise with Baldwin on the Drug War. He does say that he will leave it to the states, but he has never said that he would end the war on drugs. He also meshes combating drugs and immigration by saying he will “seal the border” to stop the flow of drugs. When we rated Baldwin on our Paul-O-Meter his campaign replied with some clarifications, but he never responded to our specific question that asked, “Will you end the war on drugs?”. As a supporter of Ron Paul this worries me.

Baldwin doesn’t have a voting record. He only has his own articles and commentary. This is in contrast to Bob Barr who doesn’t have the best voting record when it comes to liberty to put it mildly. Barr voted for the Patriot Act, although he did so to be allowed to put sunset provisions in the act. He also voted for sending troops to Iraq. His excuse is that he and his fellow lawmakers were misled by the Bush’s Executive branch about what the purpose of the actions in Iraq would be. Barr also was one of the biggest drug warriors in Congress. These are reasons he will never be trusted by the strictest of liberty-seeking voters. I understand that concern and can’t blame anyone for having it even though Barr has repudiated much of his anti-liberty past.

If a Ron Paul write-in option is included we have three flawed liberty candidates from which to choose. Ron Paul has his own flaws no matter how godlike some of us supporters believe him to be.

Rejecting the Ron Paul write in option, your choice is between Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin. Barr has a past that some believe diminishes his capability for liberty in the present. Baldwin is anti-liberty on trade and his party’s penchant for embracing God within its platform eliminates him from contention for some.

Neither Barr, Baldwin, nor Paul are going to win. Does that mean this entire article and your vote is pointless? Hardly. In some states during the primary season delegates are on the ballot instead of the actual candidates. The delegates are pledged to a specific candidate so by proxy you are voting for the candidate by voting for the delegate or slate of delegates.

Think of Baldwin and Barr as delegates for liberty and cast your vote for one of them on November 4th. Or if it helps, think of them as delegates for Ron Paul and do the same.

It is time to push away the temptation to argue the finer points among these liberty candidates. Sure, it will leave some feeling empty inside, but the sum of votes that Barr, Baldwin (and Paul in Louisiana and Montana) receive on November 4th will all be votes for the message of liberty. And never forget, it is more about the message than the man.

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  1. Paige says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 2:09 pm (#)

    People who refuse to vote for Barr because they “don’t trust him,” are HIGHLY irrational. Trust him for what? Trust him to act as a libertarian when he gets in the White House? He’s obviously not going to win, so whether his libertarianism is genuine or not is irrelevant. A vote for Barr is a vote for the limited government views he’s advocating, and that’s what it will be viewed as when reported.

  2. Mike Miller says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pm (#)

    Well said, Paige. I agree wholeheartedly.

  3. jomel77 says:

    October 15th, 2008 at 8:50 pm (#)

    Remember folks, Bob Barr voted for the Patriot Act. It doesn’t matter what he’s done or said since. Someone that easily swayed, lazy, or corrupt shouldn’t hold public office.

    That being said, I do agree with voting for a “third party” if just to shave a few points from McBomba. Maybe some more sheople will wake up if they see the two-party system has some competition. Diversity would be nice too since it would remove the “Nader lost it for Gore” BS.

  4. markh says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 11:05 am (#)

    I agree on almost all but one point. I no longer believe that staying home on election day is a bad thing. I am seriously considering not voting this time for the first time in my life. Why? Well, we already know about the two statist candidates. McKinney and Nader are out for the reasons you describe. And I am dissatisfied with Baldwin for the same reasons as you. So that leaves Bob…

    I am so put out with the Libertarian Party in general, and Bob Barr in particular, for choosing him as their candidate this year. The Libertarians have pined and pined for years that they wanted a “rock star” candidate instead of the usual fare of pale, boring, or worse, “crazy” candidates, and now, like the dog that catches the milk truck, they’ve got one. And he is behaving very UN-Libertarian-like, and I don’t like it. (Incidentally, since 1984 there have been some Libertarian candidates that have not been my “first choice”, but in the end, they have never let us down or embarrassed us. They have always carried the mantle for the Libertarian Party very respectfully and very honorably, and I have always been proud to go cast my vote for them on election day. Perhaps it was because they BELIEVED in the party platform, just my guess.)

    So here I am, “out of choices”. I am really torn between three “evils” here; to vote for Barr, to vote for Baldwin (leaning this way), or to stay at home. But to those who say that Barr isn’t all that bad of a choice, (and I can agree with you to a degree), just look at what that choice has done to this lifetime Libertarian!

  5. RxN3ST1 says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm (#)

    Paul endorsees several NEO Con War mongers? Barr was a NEO CON far longer than he has been a Libertarian:
    The Patriot Act / the WAR
    The column doesn’t compare the two candidates – it just speaks about Baldwin in regards to any specifics mentioned. When did Barr say he would end the Federal WAR on Drugs? Moving criminal jurisdiction to the states is how you end it, and also the other Fed LEA that are out of control.
    Barr is not a libertarian….where was he prior to the large movement started by Paul’s revolution…voting with W all the way. After he sees this large movement starting last summer – then he has a change of heart? Sure.

  6. libertyforone says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 4:52 pm (#)

    If you had a choice between Hitler and Stalin would you consider it a waste to not vote?

  7. libertyforone says:

    October 16th, 2008 at 7:59 pm (#)

    I also agree with Markh. He said it all.

  8. FormerLPMember says:

    October 17th, 2008 at 1:27 am (#)

    I’ve voted LP since the 80’s and this will be the first year that I cannot.

    Marh, There are some you say not voting is acting responsibily. Check out this article by Wendy McElroy Act Responsibly: Don’t Vote!

  9. libertyforone says:

    October 18th, 2008 at 1:20 am (#)

    Here is another good article about not voting, but doing it with a voice: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton5.html

    The virtues of writing in none of the above.

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